I have seen many comments saying that lemmy.world sucks, and sh.itjust.works is good. I have seen that lemmy.world apparently has a very poor reputation among other instances. Why? After a quick look, sh.itjust.works doesn’t look much different to me. Can anyone explain?
Edit: many good replies. the conclusion I’m drawing is that for my purposes it doesn’t really matter. I appreciate everyone who responded
World admins tend to engage in censorship, blocking, and banning or ANY viewpoints that don’t support their compromised world views.
They aren’t even aware that they are enthusiastic supporters of actual fascists because those fascists have figured out how to manipulate their actions using identity politics and fearmongering.
lemmy.world had blocked !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Not jolly, not jolly at all 😕
Join us, sail free in the high seas! lemmy.dbzer0.com
Legitimately the reason I dropped .world and made an account at SJW. I don’t want my instance admins deciding what I do and don’t get to see without my input.
Of course, the SJW admins could decide to block it anyway, at which point I’ll make a dbzer0 account
And what would you do if dbzer0 defederates with dbzer0???
…wait…that’s not right…
The two main reasons people attack LW is:
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people who criticise it because it is by far the largest instance, and thereby means lemmy isn’t as decentralised as it could be, I think this is a fair point, because it has caused federation issues with for example aussie.zone in the past.
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Tankies who get mad the average lemmy.world user does not share their admiration for China, Russia, North Korea, Stalin, and Mao. Thereby accusing the whole instance of being “libs” and “bigots”.
I’ll add 2 more that resonate with me:
- Discussions of distributing copyright material is banned. (Not actually sharing, obviously that is illegal, but they’ve banned the mere discussion of it.)
- They have not defederated from Meta’s Threads
Fwiw, LW seems ready to defederate from Threads at a moment’s notice (post), but atm it doesn’t matter since Threads isn’t federating with Lemmy anyway.
Though it’s still an excellent point to wonder why they haven’t done it preemptively, like pretty much every other instance I’ve heard of (even lemm.ee’s [blocked instance list[(https://lemm.ee/instances) that is shockingly short has that one). Perhaps bc the decision to defederate from any instance, and especially that one, has generated such negative feedback (as the post linked above mentions), they are hesitant to do anything at all, especially again while it does not matter right now.
lemm.ee had a vote on threads. As to the short blocklist, it’s a combination of a liberal federation policy and sunaurus apparently taking the time to clean it up once in a while, other instances have instances on their blocklist which are long defunct.
Yes and I hope I did not come across as negative about lemm.ee’s policies - the “shocking” part to me is not having exploding heads (probably bc it’s defunct, yet most instances keep it there just in case it were to ever decide to resurrect itself, or another in its place using that domain name), and other decisions that are “unusual” (for the largest instances at least) are to not include hexbear.net or even lemmygrad.ml.
And even given all of that, it still has preemptively defederated from threads.net, which makes it all the more extremely unusual that Lemmy.World has not. Even so, as I mentioned, I get it, for those reasons stated.
Tangentially, I wonder why more communities are not housed on lemm.ee. The largest is a movies community with only a few thousand subscribers, and already the next largest is down to a singular comic (albeit a popular one). The next largest instance, sh.itjust.works, has 6 communities larger than the biggest one on lemm.ee. I guess it’s related to the whole centralization on Lemmy.World thing, but most instances slightly smaller have communities that are larger - lemmy.ca, feddit.org, lemmy.dbzer0.com, programming.dev, etc.
hexbear avoided defederation by having admins who are more reasonable than (a not small chunk of) its users, lemmygrad is generally keeping to itself. It’s certainly not because Sunaurus, an Estonian, would have a soft spot for Russian imperialism. We’re also federated with beehaw, btw, as in they’re not blocking us.
I don’t know why we have so few communities, either. If we had more there very well might be more defederation drama going on because the more communities, the more chance for people to misbehave. movies is a quite harmless community in that regard, imagine !ukraine@sopuli.xyz while being federated with hexbear or lemmygrad.
I think lemm.ee is just… generic? It’s a place where you can have an account and see practically the whole fediverse, attracting a lot of people who just want to participate, not found communities. feddit.org has the whole German community plus the canonical Europe one, lemmy.ca is Canadian, programming.dev is very very techy, dbzero anarchist+pirate.
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Here’s the description by both:
sh.itjust.works:
A bilingual (EN/FR) general-purpose instance located in eastern Canada! Powered by 99% renewable energy! Everyone is welcome eh.
Lemmy.World:
A generic Lemmy server for everyone to use. (…) Lemmy.World is a general-purpose Lemmy instance of various topics, for the entire world to use
The comments about instances being “good” or “bad” is just plain ol’ tribalism.
Users get attacked for the instances they registered to, even if they were unaware of instance politics when they actually registered. That sucks!
Lemmy world has more users and therefore more likely to have more jerks when the jerk to not jerk ratio within an instance is the same.
There are/were a few instances where staying with their registration is worthy of assuming the worst about them.
The extra jerks on Lemmy world create more content so the mean jerk time is greater
If they were spread between other instances they would have the same total jerk time.
Unless their wife put them in chastity. Then their jerk time would be limited to when she said so…
…did I misread the situation? Everybody’s looking at me funny.
