• Tinidril@midwest.social
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      8 hours ago

      And the reality is that Harris lost because her messaging entirely failed to account for the pain voters are still feeling. It’s absolutely astounding that you’re not getting this.

      The reality of election outcomes are entirely based on what voters believe.

      Democrats are forever divided between two masters. They want to make voters happy, and they want to make their sponsors happy. The Harris campaign seemed to think they had the first part nailed down, so they spent the last month of a three month campaign super serving their donors.

      Democratic consultants are notorious for running campaigns aimed at the Democratic consultant class, and they did it again. Nobody with any involvement in the Harris campaign should ever draw a salary from the Democratic party again, but Democrats just keep rewarding failure. The consultants who made a fortune running Hillary’s campaign came back and made another fortune running the Harris campaign. Harris may have lost, but they didn’t.

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      12 hours ago

      Yes. As long as you recognize that the reality you just spoke of is that one guy in an ivory tower thought Biden did a good job.

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        11 hours ago

        But Mr ivory tower is right. What do we do now that we know everyone really is too stupid to understand that? What do we do now that a bunch of ignorant assholes prefer the lies?

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          Well to start with you don’t disdain them.

          You treat them like people, and you find out what their needs are, what their fears are. And you address those. Not like Trump did. Not fanning the flames of their worst emotions. But leading them. Like Obama did. Like Kennedy did. Inspiring them that you can change their lives for the better.

          When someone’s worried that they’re not able to feed the children and you’re talking about climate change, you sound incredibly out of touch. When people are working two jobs and still can’t pay the light bill, and you’re talking about trans rights, you sound incredibly out of touch.

          People don’t hate addressing climate change. People don’t hate trans people’s rights. What they hate is being ignored for those things. And Trump pointed them at that and made them mad.

          Democrats are not selling themselves as the party of the poor or the middle class. They are selling themselves as the party of the fringe and the universities - and the poor and middle class feel betrayed.

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            2 hours ago

            You’re forgetting the part where they prefer the lies.

            Turns out Carl Sagan’s are rare, but practically anyone can be an Alex Jones.

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              No doubt, building is a harder job than destroying. Breaking is easier than making.

              But they’re both creative acts. They both “change things”. It’s on us to message the one that’s productive.

              Kennedy said “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country!” Great speech phrasing, and he was an incredible speaker. But how do you sell that message?

              You don’t ignore or disdain. You include. It’s hard damn work. But you can’t win assuming the voters will just “get it.”