We’re aware of ongoing federation issues for activities being sent to us by lemmy.ml.
We’re currently working on the issue, but we don’t have an ETA right now.
Cloudflare is reporting 520 - Origin Error when lemmy.ml is trying to send us activities, but the requests don’t seem to properly arrive on our proxy server. This is working fine for federation with all other instances so far, but we have seen a few more requests not related to activity sending that seem to occasionally report the same error.
Right now we’re about 1.25 days behind lemmy.ml.
You can still manually resolve posts in lemmy.ml communities or comments by lemmy.ml users in our communities to make them show up here without waiting for federation, but this obviously is not something that will replace regular federation.
We’ll update this post when there is any new information available.
Update 2024-11-19 17:19 UTC:
Federation is resumed and we’re down to less than 5 hours lag, the remainder should be caught up soon.
The root cause is still not identified unfortunately.
Update 2024-11-23 00:24 UTC:
We’ve explored several different approaches to identify and/or mitigate the issue, which included replacing our primary load balancer with a new VM, updating HAproxy from the latest version packaged in Ubuntu 24.04 LTS to the latest upstream version, finding and removing a configuration option that may have prevented logging of certain errors, but we still haven’t really made any progress other than ruling out various potential issues.
We’re currently waiting for lemmy.ml admins to be available to reset federation failures at a time when we can start capturing some traffic to get more insights on the traffic that is hitting our load balancer, as the problem seems to be either between Cloudflare and our load balancer, or within the load balancer itself. Due to real life time constraints, we weren’t able to find a suitable time this evening, we expect to be able to continue with this tomorrow during the day.
As of this update we’re about 2.37 days behind lemmy.ml.
We are still not aware of similar issues on other instances.
Update 2024-11-25 12:29 UTC:
We have identified the underlying issue, where a backport for a bugfix resulting in crashes in certain circumstances was accidentally reverted when another backport was applied. We have applied this patch again and we’re receiving activities from lemmy.ml again. It may take an hour or so to catch up, but this time we should reliably be getting there again. We’re currently 4.77 days behind.
We still don’t have an explanation why the logs were missing in HAproxy after going through Cloudflare, but this shouldn’t cause any further federation issues.
Update 2024-11-25 14:31 UTC:
Federation has fully caught up again.
this comment section is not a place to rant about other instances
Please defederate from them.
Because they’re tankies, and I really don’t need to explain to you why that’s a bad thing. You already know.
No seriously. I see the term used in memes and I don’t know what it means.
A tankie is someone who sided with the authoritian government and their tanks against the one guy who stood in front of them in Tianenman Square.
They say they’re communists but defend an authoritarian oligarchy…
Authoritarians say they’re communist because they hate communism and don’t want people to think it’s a good idea. So they call everyone on the left a tankie.
It’s a stupid label and 99% of the people throwing it around don’t understand anything about it and are just lying about what communism is.
Oh wow! Haha ok thanks. From context clues it seemed like it could mean anyone.
Here’s a Wikipedia article that explains what a “Tankie” is.
TL;DR - It’s a slur to refer to authoritarian communists, originally used to speak out against people who supported using tanks to suppress dissidents.
Generally, anyone who supports aggression or violence to silence or oppress people are referred to as Tankies.
No, being a tankie isn’t only about supporting aggression / silencing people, it is specifically about romanticizing communism as some great philosophy that solves every problem and in extension sucking the D of Russia and China, while going “every other country bad” to the point of complete insanity.
Otherwise rightwing US are tankies.
I don’t kmow what tankie means
The hypocracy of people exaggerating the scale of the problems and piling-on about other instances in their manic drive to turn this place into an echo chamber is depressing.
“Echo chamber” is often used as a criticism on the internet. But in real life, when you make friends, it’s with like-minded people, right? So maybe it makes sense to seek online spaces with like-minded people, rather than spaces with people of various views attacking and insulting each other.
It’s a reasonable argument for giving you tools for tailoring your own feed but not for censoring entire groups out.
It makes sense.
Not everyone on .ml wants to eat your dog. Just as not everyone on .world is Trolleyman.
I’d say that the majority of people on the fediverse are capable of having a civil conversation on most topics. Some might have a handful issues that they dig their heels in over but can be civil if you comport yourself respectfully. And then there are a tiny minority of narcissistic zealot idiologues that try to maintain a narrow normative pressure on permissable opinions.
Remember folks.
This is how they infiltrate circles and twist them to right wing authoritarianism and extremism
They send in someone who uses a soft approach as their opening gambit, talking about how they are good people, and how they don’t deserve to be excluded, and its really unfair to judge them for what they and their associates do, and that if you were really as tolerant and as leftist as you said you were you’d accept them, and engage with them, and sup with them.
While handwaving any of the actual, legitimate, pointed criticisms as the actions of a “tiny minority of zealots”
Its death by a thousand cuts, and what Hamartia here is doing is trying to do the first tiny cut. To try to make you feel unreasonable, and possibly even bigoted, for taking a stand againts the poor, innocent nazis/tankies/etc.
You know why this hasnt been a significant problem until this past decade? Cause these people were punched in the mouth the second they started "Well, Ackshually~"ing in the defense of right wing fascist extremism. The second they started to fly their freak flags. Its why they have a whole underculture of co-opted symbology and secret coded language, because they were scared and had to hide, and needed a way to recognize eachother without risking a baseball bat to their jaw.
And the reason we stopped doing that, is because this soft handed approach of theirs worked. Its why they dropped the coded language. Its why their freak flags are flying high and proud now. Its why they are openly, gleefully saying their absolute horrid, unfiltered hated with gleeful abandon now. Because what Hamartia is doing, worked. It got their foot in the door, and as soon as it was there, they crushed in with the entire party and took over.
You can see where we are today, and its because we let their faux-reason, concern trolling, and paly acting exploit our tolerance.
And you see what its gotten us
And you see why its better to go back to the old classics of punching these motherfuckers in the mouth.
So don’t let this soft hand propaganda being done by Hamartia and others sway you. Don’t let it make you feel unreasonable, or uncivil. They are manipulating you to open the door for the ones behind them that arent capable of feigning and playacting “polite” discourse in attempt to make you feel like you’re the bad guy.
These people have no place in a polite and tolerate society. They are a cancer that seeks to destroy it, by exploiting our beliefs against ourselves. Its not paradoxical. Its not hypocritical. Its not whatever bullshit attempt they make next at trying to twist tolerance into a dagger for them to use to stab tolerance itself in the back and kill it to their extreme benefit, and to societies great loss.
This is all patent nonsense.
I mean…if you wanted to defederare from lemmy.ml I’d be fine with that.
There’s too much content on lemmy.ml to defederate. We’d lose like a quarter of all the content.
We’d lose the .ml version of that content.
But I thought the whole point of federation was that if mods, or communities become problematic, you could always create your own. Then all the non-problematic people will move to that.
Is that not the very foundation of the concept of the fediverse?
In order for that to work there needs to be effort taken to curb persistent network effect like the utterly monolithic communities on lemmy.ml. When there isn’t any, they just get bigger and stronger. That isn’t something you can do by starting new instances, it has to be done by ones with a big slice of the pie, something new instances never have unless started just after the collapse of an existing one.
It’s not wrong, but I don’t regard Lemmy.ml as being problematic enough to defederate from. Their moderation practices are questionable and their user base is annoying but it’s otherwise generally tolerable. People can block the instance if they don’t want to see content from it.
It would be nice to have a simple way to block the user base too
Would need to be one that restricts participation of the other party, Lemmy blocks are useless in that regard. Otherwise you’re not doing anything to deal with network effect just pretending those spaces don’t exist. Something only useful for snowflakes with weak emotions, and not people who want to make a difference.
Ah, I just today in the morning blocked Lemmy.ml. Seems to have been interesting timing :)
Is there a reason people seem to not like .ml? I only joined because it said the instance was for FOSS enthusiasts
Wow that’s crazy, thank you and the other person for informing me
Yes. Because it isn’t for FOSS enthusiasts… They use the .ml specifically to refer to an oppressive, violent, ignorant political ideology. Every bit as bad as capitalism. That’s a threat to anyone that disagrees with them left or right.
A lot of older established communities are there by the circumstance of it being the oldest server. And not by any other virtue. In fact, there are a number like the KDE project that have their own instance. Completely detached from political ideology. Which is a wise decision. A lot of official projects don’t want to be associated with the regular hypocritical and disparaging remarks of the admin staff there
I’ve been a foss enthusiast since the late 80s early 90s when I was in college. Used Linux since 94. Dabbled in BSD a bit before. Am solidly towards the anarchist left. And I block ML on principle alone. Authoritarians aren’t allies. And access to open source communities shouldn’t hinge on not accidentally crossing the fragile and hypocritical political ideologies of such groups. No place or group is perfect. But few are so flawed out of the gate.
Yikes! Thank you for writing this out, I had no idea. Fk those .ml tankies
