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I wish there were 4 USB-C ports (2 on each side) but no functionality has been lost.
Yeah. I’d love one on the other side. They can take the headphone jack
Why not complain about them not having a floppy drive anymore while you’re at it? That’s as obsolete as the non USB-C ports.
suggest me a type c gaming controller
Sony/PlayStation DualSense is type C and a great controller.
I’d suggest you need a desktop or console, not a MacBook.
f1 2017 works on my macbook just fine
And you can commute in a McLaren 2 hours to work, but it would be better in something economical or luxurious. Lots of people don’t use things for their intended purpose. That’s not a flex
This post is actually so stupid, they didn’t take shit from us, it’s still right there.
Nobody uses a firewire cable anymore, USB-A/B is very outdated. On my work macbook with is a M1 Macbook Pro, I have a card reader, a usb-c and an hdmi port on one side, and a headphone jack, 2 usb-c ports and magsafe power ports.
Even if there wasn’t, and it was just all usb-c, you can accomplish all of the same things ports. The old macbooks only had these ports on one side and the other had like one firewire or something.
USB-C can be used to deliver audio, video, ethernet connection, etc. You didn’t lose any functionality. Worst case scenario you’d need a hub for the card readers or a usb to usb-c adapter, or ethernet to usb-c.
My work provided me with a usb hub that includes usb-a/b slots, hdmi, ethernet and power, which takes a single usb-c port. They’re cheap and work just fine if you really need more than 4-5 ports.
Don’t take it from me though!
2024 16" macbook pro: https://support.apple.com/en-ca/121554
- Charging and Expansion
- SDXC card slot
- HDMI port
- 3.5 mm headphone jack
- MagSafe 3 port
- Three Thunderbolt 5 (USB-C) ports with support for:
- Charging
- DisplayPort
- Thunderbolt 5 (up to 120Gb/s)
- Thunderbolt 4 (up to 40Gb/s)
- USB 4 (up to 40Gb/s)
I really don’t think it’s that stupid. Your particular machine has a lot of ports, yeah. But there are plenty of machines out there, like the 12-inch non-pro macbook, that have ONE USB-C PORT and absolutely no other ports. That’s clearly limiting. Like, you can connect it to ethernet, if you buy an additional USB-C ethernet adapter, but if you want to be able to ethernet and have it connected to power at the same time, you need to buy a special power brick that combines the two functions, because they didn’t include any other ports.
Plus, there are a bunch of things that still use USB-A. I’ve got a bunch of old thumb drives that work like that, especially for transferring video files to my TV, which only supports USB-A itself. Wireless dongles for mice and game controllers, which still offer a latency advantage over bluetooth, tend to be USB-A as well. I’ve also got a wearable pulse oximeter that requires a special cable to load data, and the other end of that cable is USB-A only. Again, you can get an adapter dongle, but that’s never as convenient as just having the right port in the first place.
I went a bit out of my way to get a laptop with a decent collection of ports (and it’s a bit of a less portable laptop as a result, maybe more like a desktop replacement), but even it has for some reason dropped the SD card reader, which I would have used a lot. I had to get a dongle for that. And I had to get one that used USB-C in particular, because my USB-A ports are usually both filled.
Basically the selection of ports used to be something that laptops used as a point of differentiation and pride in a crowded market; but Apple managed to invert this, making the prestige marker having a slimmer laptop with as few ports as possible, and that was a dumb change. I do the the pendulum is swinging back, as with your Pro macbook, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to be frustrated with the way this element of the market went in such a consumer-hostile direction for a while.
The recent macbooks are heading back in the right direction.
I think a lot of the complants come from wanting a portable computer/setup, and having a hub or a bunch of adapters takes away the portability.
I think the ideal I/O for me would be;
- Power
- 4x USBc (displayport, high speed, etc.)
- 1x USBA (flash drives are still mostly A, and if you have a wireless USB mouse, not needing an adapter or dealing with bluetooth is great)
- 3.5 headphone/mic combo jack
- Ethernet
- HDMI, at least until more monitors have USBC inputs, although having an adapter cable isn’t too bad.
This is where I like framework approach with the customizable IO, but I think they need to shrink the blocks to give 6-8 ports. 4 is simply not enough, with one used up for power.
Exactly, I’m looking at these pics and don’t even have cables to fit any of these other than a USBC anymore. And I love that I can charge with a regular cable and don’t have to bring a charging brick anywhere. Just a phone charger works
And everyone went ahead and purchased it anyway.
Companies always chase profit, if people would stop buying shittified products companies would stop enshittifying them.
Yeah they went ahead and purchased it anyway because no functionality was lost.
2024 16" macbook pro: https://support.apple.com/en-ca/121554
- Charging and Expansion
- SDXC card slot
- HDMI port
- 3.5 mm headphone jack
- MagSafe 3 port
- Three Thunderbolt 5 (USB-C) ports with support for:
- Charging
- DisplayPort
- Thunderbolt 5 (up to 120Gb/s)
- Thunderbolt 4 (up to 40Gb/s)
- USB 4 (up to 40Gb/s)
If you look at OP’s picture, you’ll notice:
magsafe power, ethernet, display, firewire, 2x usb, mic and headphone ports
Keep crying about literally nothing I guess.
Sorry, I don’t speak douchbag. Try again without needlessly being a dick about it.
My current phone lacks a headphone jack and I hate it. It would be okay if it was replaced with two usb c ports, but there’s only one which means I either choose between headphones or charging, or I must use an adapter. Or wireless, but I don’t want yet another fucking battery to charge.
I used to be against losing the headphone jack, but now I’m without one, I honestly don’t miss it.
No more wires getting caught, tangled or damaged and the sound quality is just as good unless you’re an audio engineer.
True…BT codecs these days are almost hi-res compatible, why to even bother when actually audiophiles use external DAC.
You’re on Lemmy, we’re all audio engineers/autistic
And dealing with cables is the most triggering thing I can imagine
Laptops from the 2010s represented a peak in design and performance, but since then, it feels like we’ve seen consistent downsizing and downgrades. Take the latest Intel CPUs, for instance—it’s as if the marketing pitch is, ‘It may not be very powerful, but at least it’s energy-efficient.’ It’s almost as though manufacturers are catering to a market they perceive as indifferent, and we, as consumers, continue to accept diminishing returns while paying increasingly higher prices. This trend reflects a broader issue in life today: settling for less while being charged more.
This picture captures the essence of that realization, and it is truly heart-wrenching.
My biggest issue is thermals and build quality.
Feels like macbooks need every square mm of aluminium surface area hence less ports, as they barely manage to not reach autoignition temperature. Likewise plenty laptops with metal shells seem to use them as their ground, being too cheap for one tiny wire, and hence the case will slowly retain charge over a long day and you get this weird scratchy/jittery feeling when touching the case. Because ground is haaaaard.
And such shit in laptops costing thousands of euros. Fuck.
I’m by no means an apple fan boy (I only have an air) but the apple m processors are getting faster every gen. My m1 air is fast, has a nice design, great battery life, nice screen, etc. idk what else I would want in a laptop. Obviously not a cheap but it should last me a lot longer than whatever pc I would have gotten for half the price.
I don’t follow the laptop industry closely though so maybe I’m being ripped off without realizing it?
I believe a significant issue with laptops, in general, lies in the ethical and environmental concerns surrounding the mining of precious metals and components, often carried out by underprivileged workers. The cost of materials and manufacturing remains low, while profit margins for companies continue to grow.
For example, Apple has experienced remarkable growth from 2010 to the present, yet laptop prices have only risen rather than decreased, despite advances in technology and economies of scale. This raises important questions about fairness and sustainability in the industry.
In a way, it feels as though we are being taken advantage of, all while maintaining a positive facade. This, of course, doesn’t even address the anti-consumer practices surrounding the repair and maintenance of Apple devices.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/stock-price-history
I’m usually happy with increased efficiency as it represents an increase in performance in the future. Cost is something that seems much more inevitable to go down than performance is to go up, so the two metrics I look for in the state of the CPU market are peak single core performance and performance per watt. Of course, this only applies to observing the industry from outside, I’m sure if I was actually in the market for a new CPU right now I’d probably be happier with a worse performance per watt chip as long as it was cheaper.
As an IT professional, I encounter this frequently—people attempt to save money, only to end up with subpar equipment that hampers their ability to perform their work. In the end, they often lose more money than they would have saved, all because they focused on saving that small amount upfront. Cost savings are not always advantageous; it’s akin to the saying, ‘Saving a penny to spend a dollar’.
And anything that isn’t compatible with USB-C is subpar equipment.
to be fair, the bandwidth of all the ports on the bottom laptop probably fit in 1 (maaaaybe 2? Just spitballing here) Thunderbolt 5 ports depending how fast the ethernet port is. BTW, why would you want a port that isn’t reversible like USB C lol…
Fades is either drinking Apple flavor Kool-Aid or has been fully brainwashed by apple into thinking everything is okay because a company said “you don’t care, you’re stuck here with us.”
It’s really sad how people will bootlick for any company once they bought enough products.
Hey there Mr. Debs!! You’re actually one of my heroes. You led a complicated life, but I seriously admire your commitment to a meaningful social safety net for everyone.
That said, I quite dislike Apple, and have never in my life purchased one of their products for a myriad of reasons. But I do believe that Fade is factually correct in what they say. The consolidation of funtions into new ports and communication standards isn’t something inherently worth railing against.
Do I think they executed that consolidation particularly well? Hell no. But let’s not paint our fellow Blahaj as bootlickers for making and presenting a factually sound argument.
With love,
- a fan
Sure, but the constant spam of the same words and then calling anyone for not agreeing with the copypasta a moron is straight out of the textbook of various cults and fringe political groups.
Look how they massacred my boy.
I never use the ports on my laptop. It never bothered me that they removed them all. Granted I know that’s just my use case I can t speak for everyone.
Well do you sell me a docking station with that laptop?
Or are you going to let me get buy some adapter dongles?
How about more USB c ports?
Sounds like you need a desktop, not something you can bust out in the car on plane and do work
Nah sounds like I need a framework laptop
I have no idea what that even means so yeah probably
https://frame.work/de/en/products/laptop16-diy-amd-7040
Its a laptop with multiple usbc ports that can be changed to other modules like hdmi or ethernet
Totally. It’s for random hobbies
Like I said. I’d suggest a PC
I have one, but if I buy a laptop I need to be able to connect it to ethernet, hdmi and a mouse and keyboard.
And preferably I don’t carry a docking station with me too.
So I would need at least 4 usbc ports.
Or the other ports are already on the laptop.
If I don’t have that I can use my phone instead.
It sounds like you don’t need a laptop, you need a desktop
And there’s the soldered RAM and storage, and glued-in or screwed-in battery…
Apple has always been an appearance over function company.
not in this case. old laptops had WAY too many ports. and when was the last time you even put a disc in a laptop? I need 1 USB a and all the rest can be USB c and that’s it. power, data, video, all USB c. the USB a is only for my convenience, I have an adapter. simple, thinner, better.
Oh really?
2024 16" macbook pro: https://support.apple.com/en-ca/121554
- Charging and Expansion
- SDXC card slot
- HDMI port
- 3.5 mm headphone jack
- MagSafe 3 port
- Three Thunderbolt 5 (USB-C) ports with support for:
- Charging
- DisplayPort
- Thunderbolt 5 (up to 120Gb/s)
- Thunderbolt 4 (up to 40Gb/s)
- USB 4 (up to 40Gb/s)
If you look at OP’s picture, you’ll notice:
magsafe power, ethernet, display, firewire, 2x usb, mic and headphone ports
i wouldnt discount the function of having four thunderbolt ports with equal capability, you can plug a charger into any of them and it’s pretty common to see thunderbolt docks being used with any brand now if an abundance of ports is the goal. External SSD’s can be hooked up with usb-c and most users don’t need usb-A anymore. All that is really missing for the average user is HDMI in my opinion, and that requires a simple adapter if the first party dock is too expensive.
basically it’s very practical for the target user,it’s not lacking in function just because it’s missing ports that most of its users wont care about
The desktop equivalent is “What happened to all my PCIe expansion slots?!”
(Note: processor PCIe lane count has gone up, used to be like 16 from CPU, 4 from chipset, since a GPU didn’t need an x1x6 in terms of bandwidth - see SLI/crossfire. These days, it’s just that many lanes go to M.2, with each using up to 4 lanes - vs having 6 SATA driven off the chooser)
this is my main reason I have not upgraded. Less PCIE slots than my system uses currently so I’de have to downgrade
As someone who daily drives a laptop for work and does field work on server facilities, finding a modern replacement that has both a RJ45 port and square USB (USB-A?) ports available on both sides, has been a pain in the hassle.
And I’m not even crying over the loss of VGA any longer. That one I can live without.
Or just a little dongle with both of these ports which can be plugged in on any usb-c on any side?
🤷🏻you are even more free these days without even realising, I never saw any laptop at any age having more than one ethernet.
Or just a little dongle with both of these ports which can be plugged in on any usb-c on any side?
Dongles break, slide off, cause disconnects, can cause internal damage to the connector if the cables you have to connect are heavy, etc…, I already have the bad experience of having to use a USB hub to attach storage.
When it comes to engineering, I’m of the opinion that built-in > bolt in.
Heavy cables are just stupid no matter the port used, or dongle. Dongles do not brake faster than normal ports do. Normal ports do internal damage just the same way. “Cause disconnects”, only if damaged.
I don’t have problems with my dongle (which I had to use like only 2 times a year, anyway)
Wait!.. You don’t have problems with something you only used twice in a year? No way!
Its clear you and the person you replied to have different use cases for your devices, and perhaps what they are saying is just as valid as what you are saying.
😌 I “need” it only twice on my daily driver a year.
There are many more devices I use in various situations with various ports and dongles. Heavy cables are a pain for all of them, no matter if dongles or no dongles. In fact dongles often prevent internal damage, since they often have a short flexible cable on the thunderbolt side.
But I guess doing something just a little different does need a lot of time to get used to, especially at the age of boomers 🤷🏻
That’s the issue then. You think it’s boomers who dont like change as opposed to capitalists removing functionality to sell it back to you in a separate package. I would aregue its zoomers not being able to identify when they are being conned.
Lol, I would literally choose 4x thunderbolt multi function ports than 10x dedicated only one use case ports. Not because of capitalism but because of functionality.
The PITA is that I use RJ45 pretty much every day. It’s not just a matter of “oh there’s wifi everywhere”; 99% of wifis everywhere are not open, or are actually not connected to the networks I’m working on, or I need the physical connector to diagnose wire / networking issues; and the performance of wifi on Linux on refurbrished machines tends to be subpar and they tend to not allow for “developer mode” options (playing with your MAC, WPA supplanting, etc).
If Tesla, the actual Tesla, had given us technology instead of the thief
ElonEdison, then perhaps we’d somehow have point-to-point wireless RJ45 that would function everywhere, and I wouldn’t need the connector.Just use USB-C to Ethernet cables 😇
I’ve already been through the problem with that. Cba doing it again.
