• Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    9·
    17 hours ago

    I feel the same way about linux. Every post remotely related to tech brings on the linux bro trying to convert you to their religion of linux

    • P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.brOP
      3·
      16 hours ago

      I used to be mad about Linux for the same reason. In more recent times I have a different feeling, but I can’t deny how annoying they can be.

  • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    2·
    2 days ago

    We get it, no matter how many times people get fucked by venture capital pushing enshittification, most people don’t actually care enough about the issues at hand to deal with even the minor discomfort of learning something new that isn’t highly polished. They’ll take getting fucked by corporations every time.

    Edit: lol

    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
      5·
      2 days ago

      I mean…you say this with an air of sarcasm, because you DO care about decentralization. But I’ve been saying since I got here, with no sarcasm, that Lemmy is not a competitor to reddit. Mastodon is not a competitor to twitter. The fediverse is not appealing to the masses on it’s own current merrit. And why?

      Because it’s main selling point is that it’s decentralized. And any average woman named Britney, or any average guy named Todd, does not give a shit about that. At all. At all. At all.

      They don’t know what it is. They don’t care what it is. They just want to see what Taylor Swift is saying online. They just want to follow Nascar. They just want to follow all the accounts that you view as corporate branding. That’s what they WANT.

      I’ve said in other threads various ways to get the concepts of the fediverse to be looked at. But it takes us, the fediverse, to appear to be appealing to the masses instead of scary.

      It needs to feel like a walled garden. It can act as a decentralized service on a technical end. You can wizard of oz the shit out of it. Stay behind a curtain and keep all the scary technical stuff hidden. The technical stuff can still work, but you guys are pushing it front and center like it’s a selling point. It’s not. It’s scary to them, and bluesky looks and feels just like twitter, without the fascism. That’s all they want.

      Nobody is over on bluesky asking if bluesky is truely decentralized. Nobody there knows what that is. Nobody cares. It would be like me inventing my own currency that only works in an office I work in. Then wondering why the other offices in that building aren’t adopting my currency. They don’t care about my currency. It means nothing to them.

      The fediverse had years of a headstart, and learned nothing. I don’t have the technical skills to build. What I do have is the ability to blend in with any crowd and understand what they’re feeling. So I understand them. I understand you. And I understand the difference in mentality between them and you. I also understand that you guys DON’T understand their mentality. And they don’t even know your mentality exists.

      The best way to describe it is, they are like a bunch of flies. They just want to fly to the nearest lightbulb. And you guys are putting on one of those blacklights to expose all the filthy stains around you. And the flies literally land in and eat shit happily, so they don’t care about the stains. Yet you’re so tunnel visioned that all you see are the stains, and are certain the flys will care. Then a neighbor turns on a porchlight, and they all fly over there.

      Also the previous big light was a bug zapper.

      • hierophant_nihilant@reddthat.com
        1·
        1 day ago

        Extraordinary well put.I wish more people would understand that building communities by attracting users from outside is much-much-much more important than to brag about fediverse in your small nerd circle and defederating another server.

      • punkaccountant@lemm.ee
        1·
        2 days ago

        While sometimes I think…do we really want it to get super popular? But also even if the popularity comes with the assholes…blocking and curating can help and in the end, it IS still decentralized. So let’s say that convinces the average Lemmy user that yes, let’s grow this shit.

        How do we get some of the big names here to promote it? I tell anyone who has a complaint with standard social media about the fediverse but I have minimal influence. I HAVE included it on surveys and contact with podcasts I follow, to promote it more, again limited influence.

        I feel like we need like…whatever…a Taylor Swift type to take it up as something they push and then other big names will follow.

        As you said, I don’t care about that really but many others do. Lemmy and occasional checkins with Reddit are my only social media. But if it gets more people here, it could be worth it. I personally would just love more communities to be more active because I like Lemmy…but right now I only see the biggest “Reddit copycats” getting the major activity.

    • dance_ninja@lemmy.world
      1·
      2 days ago

      It’s not about “minor discomfort.” The Fediverse has too much UX friction for someone that isn’t in tech/used to a product that isn’t mature in features or content. Even if they are fine with that, they need to spend time to figure out what server(s) to trust, or at least an organization they can sue if things go wrong.

      Ranting about “normies” instead of listening and understanding what their needs and concerns are is not conducive to growth, but it’ll certainly help it decay.

      • Chloé 🥕@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        1·
        2 days ago

        and when they do figure out the unintuitive UX, they’re met with an avalanche of reply guys and, if they’re Black, a fuckload of overt and covert racism that everyone else will ignore…

        there’s a reason why most people on the fedi are white men in tech

        only the queer community seems to have managed to carve itself a place on the fedi, and even it has big issues of rampant racism

          • Chloé 🥕@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            1·
            2 days ago

            basically, someone online (usually a man) who replies to another person (usually a woman) in a condescending tone, or giving unsolicited advice, that sorta stuff

          • 31337@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            2 days ago

            I’ve seen this term on Mastadon. I’m actually confused by it a bit, since I’ve always thought replies are to be expected on the Internet.

            I think women have a problem with men following them and replying in an overly familiar manner, or mansplaining, or something like that. I’m old, used to forums, and never used Twitter, so I may be missing some sort of etiquette that developed there. I generally don’t reply at all on Mastadon because of this, and really, I’m not sure what Mastadon or microblogging is for. Seems to be for developing personal brands, and for creators of content to inform followers of what they created. Seems not to be for discussion. I.e. more like RSS than Reddit (that’s my understanding at least).

      • P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.brOP
        1·
        2 days ago

        Exactly. Most Fediverse fans always go on a rant about “corporations”, “enshittification”, whatever, when they don’t understand that not everyone will take/have time to learn about these things. Not everything is simple as in just click a big “download” button or “create account”. It’s those new extra steps that confuse those people, some who are of old age, or never saw a desktop computer before. It needs actual designers. Same thing with other FOSS projects.

        • saltesc@lemmy.world
          01·
          2 days ago

          No, no. It’s definitely about “getting fucked” as SnotFlickerman succinctly put it. It’s just users getting ravaged by corporations so hard they don’t notice care—or something.

        • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          2 days ago

          Lemmevangelists really like the email analogy because they think literally anyone knows or cares how email works. 99% of people lose you the moment you say the word “protocol”

    • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
      0·
      2 days ago

      Tech enthusiasts vastly overestimate how much hassle people are willing to put up with in order to do something, and this is a classic example.

      • BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 day ago

        Seriously the number of people on here complaining about Windows bloat. I’m not even 100% sure what the hell that’s supposed to mean. I’m a normie and my windows runs fine.

        Edit:spelling

  • TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.comEnglish
    01·
    1 day ago

    Boy telling people not to talk about Elon’s competition and then pretending it is something else.

    The future is so bright I’ve gotta wear shades.

  • ooli@lemmy.world
    01·
    2 days ago

    Any social platform, from fb, to reddit and youtube worth only as much as the number of people using it. Less people = less creative mind = less potential friend = less incentive to come use the same platform = less public for creative mind. So social media can only work as a monopoly or quasi. Or it is of no one interest to come on it, if all your friend/favorite creator, are on the other platform.

    Ergo, you have to do some proselytism so everyone join the platform you’re using. That being said: did you create your account on bluesky?

    • orcrist@lemm.ee
      1·
      8 hours ago

      Well that’s not true at all. I don’t think most of us are going on social media to communicate with billions of people. If we can communicate with tens of thousands of people, or perhaps less than that, but those are high quality communications, that’s good enough for many or most of us.

      Which is to say, quality of other users, quantity of users, and quality of service are all important when trying to evaluate the overall quality of any social media provider.

      Of course your goal could be different if all you want is exposure. If you want to advertise, then large numbers of users might be your priority. But most of us are not doing that.