Rumour is it’s literally only there as an olive branch to hardware manufacturers to force people to buy new hardware. There’s literally no technical reasons for it.
What I heard (on here, and I hope it’s a vicious rumor) is that TPM 2.0 comes with backdoors accessible to Microsoft via the OS so that a significant chunk of the computer belongs to Big MS and not to the end user, and it will squeal and cause problems if the end user tries to take it back.
The whole point of TPM 1.0 hypothetically was to allow a larger secondary encryption key of a device to be accessible only by a small user-provided key (say a four-digit PIN), and requiring use of the key-query software to run to get the secondary key. A limited number of chances with longer delays with each wrong answer heightens security.
But this pissed off government law enforcement across the world, who want backdoors for when they want to crack the phone of a very important criminal.
It would be nice if Apple, Google and Microsoft had more respect for their end users than they do national and corporate institutions, but we know this isn’t really the case, so it’s at least plausible that TPMs 1.0 or 2.0 come pre-backdoored. It doesn’t hurt that this is exactly what FBI and NSA want even though (Pre-9/11 and Pre-PATRIOT) NSA is supposed to be assuring that no-one, not even police can crack our secure communication protocols.
Despite efforts to look into it, I’ve yet to get an answer I can fully trust whether or not they are backdoored. But since Microsoft is notorious for exactly this kind of bullshit since the 1980s, I assume it’s true that TPMs are backdoored until I find convincing information otherwise.
Yeah, I claimed it was a plausible rumor, and given Win10 and Win11 are already spyware and resistant to end-user full control, I already have strong cause to distrust Microsoft, which is what I said.
So chill your reactor before it melts down. Unless you want a block, because this is how you get a block.
It’s also plausible that you are the zodiac killer. I heard that you’re an asshole on the road and that you’re an inconsiderate prick who doesn’t return his shopping cart to the corral.
See how that works? Don’t spread bullshit and FUD.
You can block as much as you want, you’re still gonna get called out on your shit, the difference is that you’ll be the only one who doesn’t see it.
it’s one of those things where it does legitimately improve security, but for them to require it the way they did when almost no hardware at the time has it is pretty transparent.
there are plenty of other hardware requirements that could improve security if they arbitrarily decided to require them. they did this for the rain you describe, but have the plausible deniability of saying that it’s for security.
basically, the same bullshit line that’s used to justify half of the bullshit unpopular changes that anyone pushes anywhere.
“it’s for security” - no it’s not, as a for profit company chances are pretty good we can prove you don’t actually give a shit about customer date if we look close enough at your practices. it’s for profit.
“it’s for the environment” - admirable thought, too bad that’s not profitable. I don’t believe you mr. for profit company.
“for the kids”- it you have ever tried to talk to a parent after the subject of their kids safety comes up you’ll see why they always do for this in. it’s the deepest, most primal, and least logical part of our brain. most parents become slovering fucking cavemen the second you disagree with whatever they’ve been programmed to believe will protect their kids. it’s just too easy to manipulate people with. if you say you’re great to protect kids I’m instantly skeptical and need a lot of proof.
it’s one of those things where it does legitimately improve security, but for them to require it the way they did when almost no hardware at the time has it is pretty transparent.
Windows has been requiring hardware manufactures to include TPM 2.0 support since July 2016 , and Windows 11 was released in October 2021. The truth is Microsoft did everything they could to wait for people to get their hands on new hardware (5 years). Data shows that 83% of businesses were victims of firmware attacks, which is exactly what TPM helps with. Like it or not Microsoft’s primary customer are businesses, since they are the one who buy hundreds of licenses and pay for technical support. TPM requirement was not a surprise to anyone:
In fact, in the 55 pages of minumum specifications for Windows 10 hardware TPM is mentioned 60 times.
A quote from the link above.
there are plenty of other hardware requirements that could improve security if they arbitrarily decided to require them. they did this for the rain you describe, but have the plausible deniability of saying that it’s for security.
What other hardware could they require to prevent firmware attacks?
“it’s for security” - no it’s not, as a for profit company chances are pretty good we can prove you don’t actually give a shit about customer date if we look close enough at your practices. it’s for profit.
As shown in the link above, it is for security. The profit comes when businesses keep buying Windows instead of moving to MacOS for lack of security in Windows machines.
“it’s for the environment” - admirable thought, too bad that’s not profitable. I don’t believe you mr. for profit company.
Apple has shown you can have products made of recycled material while still being high quality and highly profitable. If you want environmentally friendly products you need to pay more, because like you said, it is not profitable to sell those products at the same price as before. So you either complain about price or about the environment, can’t have both.
“for the kids”- it you have ever tried to talk to a parent after the subject of their kids safety comes up you’ll see why they always do for this in. it’s the deepest, most primal, and least logical part of our brain. most parents become slovering fucking cavemen the second you disagree with whatever they’ve been programmed to believe will protect their kids. it’s just too easy to manipulate people with. if you say you’re great to protect kids I’m instantly skeptical and need a lot of proof.
The truth is most surveillance technologies will help protect the kids. This is a fact. If you gave the police access to everyone’s phone all the time kids would objectively be safer on the internet. Yes, this is used as an excuse to attack our privacy, but it does work, and there’s no reason to be skeptical. Anyways, this is not on topic to windows TPM.
Why do we even need a toilet paper machine 2.0 to use windows 11?
Joke aside, yeah what’s up with that? People been able to bypass it and have no problem.
Rumour is it’s literally only there as an olive branch to hardware manufacturers to force people to buy new hardware. There’s literally no technical reasons for it.
What I heard (on here, and I hope it’s a vicious rumor) is that TPM 2.0 comes with backdoors accessible to Microsoft via the OS so that a significant chunk of the computer belongs to Big MS and not to the end user, and it will squeal and cause problems if the end user tries to take it back.
The whole point of TPM 1.0 hypothetically was to allow a larger secondary encryption key of a device to be accessible only by a small user-provided key (say a four-digit PIN), and requiring use of the key-query software to run to get the secondary key. A limited number of chances with longer delays with each wrong answer heightens security.
But this pissed off government law enforcement across the world, who want backdoors for when they want to crack the phone of a very important criminal.
It would be nice if Apple, Google and Microsoft had more respect for their end users than they do national and corporate institutions, but we know this isn’t really the case, so it’s at least plausible that TPMs 1.0 or 2.0 come pre-backdoored. It doesn’t hurt that this is exactly what FBI and NSA want even though (Pre-9/11 and Pre-PATRIOT) NSA is supposed to be assuring that no-one, not even police can crack our secure communication protocols.
Despite efforts to look into it, I’ve yet to get an answer I can fully trust whether or not they are backdoored. But since Microsoft is notorious for exactly this kind of bullshit since the 1980s, I assume it’s true that TPMs are backdoored until I find convincing information otherwise.
Please don’t spread bullshit conspiracy theories.
You have trustworthy sources to indicate it’s a bullshit conspiracy theory? Cite them!
Otherwise you can express your skepticism without being hostile. Thanks.
You are making the claims, the onus is on you to cite your sources.
Do you have any trustworthy sources to back up these bullshit claims? I didn’t think so. Now, fuck off.
Yeah, I claimed it was a plausible rumor, and given Win10 and Win11 are already spyware and resistant to end-user full control, I already have strong cause to distrust Microsoft, which is what I said.
So chill your reactor before it melts down. Unless you want a block, because this is how you get a block.
It’s also plausible that you are the zodiac killer. I heard that you’re an asshole on the road and that you’re an inconsiderate prick who doesn’t return his shopping cart to the corral.
See how that works? Don’t spread bullshit and FUD.
You can block as much as you want, you’re still gonna get called out on your shit, the difference is that you’ll be the only one who doesn’t see it.
it’s one of those things where it does legitimately improve security, but for them to require it the way they did when almost no hardware at the time has it is pretty transparent.
there are plenty of other hardware requirements that could improve security if they arbitrarily decided to require them. they did this for the rain you describe, but have the plausible deniability of saying that it’s for security.
basically, the same bullshit line that’s used to justify half of the bullshit unpopular changes that anyone pushes anywhere.
“it’s for security” - no it’s not, as a for profit company chances are pretty good we can prove you don’t actually give a shit about customer date if we look close enough at your practices. it’s for profit.
“it’s for the environment” - admirable thought, too bad that’s not profitable. I don’t believe you mr. for profit company.
“for the kids”- it you have ever tried to talk to a parent after the subject of their kids safety comes up you’ll see why they always do for this in. it’s the deepest, most primal, and least logical part of our brain. most parents become slovering fucking cavemen the second you disagree with whatever they’ve been programmed to believe will protect their kids. it’s just too easy to manipulate people with. if you say you’re great to protect kids I’m instantly skeptical and need a lot of proof.
Windows has been requiring hardware manufactures to include TPM 2.0 support since July 2016 , and Windows 11 was released in October 2021. The truth is Microsoft did everything they could to wait for people to get their hands on new hardware (5 years). Data shows that 83% of businesses were victims of firmware attacks, which is exactly what TPM helps with. Like it or not Microsoft’s primary customer are businesses, since they are the one who buy hundreds of licenses and pay for technical support. TPM requirement was not a surprise to anyone:
A quote from the link above.
What other hardware could they require to prevent firmware attacks?
As shown in the link above, it is for security. The profit comes when businesses keep buying Windows instead of moving to MacOS for lack of security in Windows machines.
Apple has shown you can have products made of recycled material while still being high quality and highly profitable. If you want environmentally friendly products you need to pay more, because like you said, it is not profitable to sell those products at the same price as before. So you either complain about price or about the environment, can’t have both.
The truth is most surveillance technologies will help protect the kids. This is a fact. If you gave the police access to everyone’s phone all the time kids would objectively be safer on the internet. Yes, this is used as an excuse to attack our privacy, but it does work, and there’s no reason to be skeptical. Anyways, this is not on topic to windows TPM.
Apple will happily throw away a good machine to sell you a new one, their eco friendlyness and repairability scores are self scored bullshit.
Having police access to everyone’s phone would not make people safer. You would not have enough police to monitor and it is a backdoor for hacking.
Just like Intel Management Engine that gave hackers passwordless entry into machines. Having control like that is not safety.
Plus anyone with physical access is going to defeat security anyway.
My linuxOS has a MOC signed by microsoft, an OS can work on TPM with a signature…hackers will find a way to spoof into it