Who saw that comi… who saw where that came from!?

Of course they did.

Its Biden’s fault for being an establishment pick, and doing nothing for his time in. And wile that’s not fully true, he did not promote progressive ideals. In some cases he chose the opposite of progressive policies. Then Harris got the nomination, promised more of the same. So i understand why people didn’t bother voting. I have been vocal about absolutely hating the democrats for what they were doing, but i still voted for Harris, because … i am in harm prevention mode.

Actually you are describing how it would not be different at all than these other wars. An insurgency in the us would be particularly hard to pick out. There would be no outward appearance between “us” or “them” we are a very diverse nation after all. Also, in these wars neighbors were turning each other in left and right. It was nearly impossible to determine if it was legitimate, or a personal squabble, or some random in order to get brownie points with the us. People are no different over here.

Besides, i will not entertain the idea that fighting against tyranny is wrong because it would be hard.

I don’t think a Revolution in two month’s is a good idea. Again at this stage, militias such as the Black Panthers would be much more effective.

You are attempting to discredit my position by setting arbitrary unrealistic expectations, and pointing out my incapability in pulling that off.

You are not any longer arguing against the principle of my argument. It would take time, and the first steps is to lay the ground work for it to happen such as, convincing people of the need and effectiveness of militias.

Were you the one who is said they were leaving the states due to expected tyranny?

I generally have you in high regard here on Lemmy. We have had discussions in the past and i made a concerted effort to not attack you. I have been civil. So i will have to ask you to look past my difficulties in spelling, and my constant battle against auto correct. I have military training, but they are not necessary to effectively organize, or train in fire arms.

The Black Panthers caused the CIA to label them terrorists even though they broke no laws, and got the NRA to push for gun restrictions. These armed citizens scared the police, and had the news media slandering them. And it’s because they posed a huge threat to the system. The last four wars were essentially lost against militants of objectively less organized, less armed, smaller, decentralized insurgents. Asymmetric warfare is not just a thing, but the Achilles heel to power. There is nothing unique about a trump dictatorship that would make these less true

That’s a good question. I guess the start is finding like minded people, or convincing others to be receptive of the ones that form if not get them actuated themselves. So what i am attempting now. There was that group of armed protestors that stand watch over planned parenthood clinics. They satisfy a price of the puzzle

If you resort to only self defense, you will lose. You do not project power by watching your neighbor fail to defend themselves and then wait for your turn. The sneering others give saying i think i am some Rambo able to fight off tyranny with just my wits and a rifle like an action hero, is literally the opposite of what i am saying. That would be more true of someone thinking could fight off the systemic oppression of tyranny by looking out for only for themselves.

If you don’t want to discuss this because you are unable to argue the point that’s fine, but these discussions are literally about trying to convince others holding opposite views that their point of view is wrong. It’s literally the point.

It would not be too late if at this point, before snipers starts shooting, that militias start to form and the minority arm up and train now. That’s why i am pushing this. And it’s never too late to fight for freedom. Just because the insurgencies against the nazis didn’t “win” doesn’t mean it wasn’t worth doing. The point of the insurgency is to “not lose“ and every life saved was worth the effort.

In that case, that sounds like the left needs to get weapons and become organized, like i recommend. And not turn over and assume that the majority will let them live free… as a treat.

You are basically arguing to give up and die because it’s too hard.

Are you saying if the lgbtq community formed a militia and walked around american streets, they would be gunned down by snipers? We are not at that point yet, so a militia like the Black Panthers is needed. But if we are at the point where the government is sniping its citizens, then we would need an insurgency.

Would you argue that the resistive elements in nazi Germany were wrong?

You haven’t showed anything. You asserted. And i brought up the black panthers as the counter argument.

Yes, like its two completely different things

The last three wars have been pretty recent, and haven’t not gone well against a foe no where near or equal. Not so much as a pyric victory, but an eventual unwillingness to keep wasting time and money and lives, and we just left. What do you call it when you just leave a war failing all your objectives and handing over territory to the enemy?

I’m not saying a gorilla war is needed. I am saying collective action is needed.

The reason i bring up gorilla warfare is because of the “there is no point in fighting tyranny because it’s too hard” argument. in the recent wars verses gorilla warfare and insurgency, it has been an absolute shit show boondoggle for the last 3 wars we have been in. And that is with the advantage of untouchable logistics, the world’s largest, and most secure, military industrial complex, top of the line weapons and training, and the homeland being unreachable.

Either way it’s best if those we care about own and become proficient in fire arms.

When it’s needed. I don’t see a path that prevents tyranny or revolution, but that doesn’t mean there is none. You say that people should arm themselves, and i agree, the main difference being what we see as the threat i guess. But I take inspiration from the Black Panthers. I believe they were right and righteous in their actions, no matter what was taught in schools. And you know they were effective, because the state conspired against them and they got the NRA TO ARGUE FOR MORE RESTRICTIVE GUN LAWS because they have a certain power dynamic they want to uphold.

Oh? Now it’s a discussion about who should be sacrificed and for what. Freedom always has a cost. I never removed myself from the possibility. But right now, the royal “we”, seem to be sacrificing the minority, the different, the poor, the non christian and it gets worse every day. Freedoms are slipping, corporations get stronger, and standards of living and hope for the future fades. This will only accelerate. Arguing to arm oneself for personal protection but not collective action will doom all, but the chosen, to be picked off one by one.

The military has had a pretty lousy track record against gorilla warfare from much smaller, worse armed groups who, by the width of an ocean were unable to affect logistical lines, the means to project warfare, or the families of our soldiers. A Revolution within would be much worse.