Here you go, a “real” source. He said there were more bullet ballots than there likely really are, but there’s still a really suspiciously high number of them. How is this not at least worth investigating?
Even if every single one of the bullet ballots were invalidated, trump would still win.
Do we really need to chase after ghosts rather than look at the terrible campaign Harris ran? She ran Hillary’s campaign again, took the left for granted and made stupid campaign stops in Kentucky and Texas rather than focusing on more important matters.
Harris lost the election running a center right campaign.
The key flaw in this idea that fake bullet ballots put Trump over the top ignores the fact that Republicans won House and Senate seats as well.
If it were bullet ballots, we would have seen split tickets where Trump won but Dems won House and Senate seats at that did NOT happen.
So, no, this is all specious reasoning from the start.
Look at the Abortion bill in Arizona:
https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_Proposition_139,_Right_to_Abortion_Initiative_(2024)
Yes - 2,000,287 - 61.61%
No - 1,246,202 - 38.39%3,246,529 votes cast.
Now look at President:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election_in_Arizona
Republican - Donald Trump - 1,770,242 - 52.2%
Democratic - Kamala Harris - 1,582,860 - 46.7%
Green - Jill Stein - 18,319 - 0.5%
Libertarian - Chase Oliver - 17,898 - 0.5%3,389,319 votes cast.
There were 142,790 more votes cast for President than in the abortion race, but Trump beat Harris by 187,382 votes.
Even if all 142K overvotes cast in the Presidential race were fake bullet ballots, Trump STILL would have won by 44,592 votes.
“The election wasn’t stolen! And if it was then it actually didn’t matter and he would’ve won fairly anyway”
What is your point here? Why are you so intent on making sure nobody discusses the evidence that trump stole the election? And why are you so intent on trying (and failing) to debunk it?
Also I 1000000 percent trust an expert on voting machines over a mod of a random lemmy community. You’re gonna need more than your opinion on how one state went to debunk all of those bullet ballots my guy
The point is that the whole notion this guy is putting forward is bullshit and the reason he’s putting it forward is that he’s bad at math.
However, Snopes’ research, in which we compared the vote tallies cited by Spoonamore with the latest official election results, found his figures to be incorrect and his assertions to make no mathematical sense.
Sure, investigate. But what though? You need evidence of something before even alleging a crime.
I’d say the number of bullet ballots is evidence that something is almost certainly up that needs investigating. That’s not a normal occurrence
Things can be anomalous and abnormal and not be nefarious. Abnormality isn’t evidence of criminality. So, why investigate? Because the number of bullet ballots is slightly higher? A more reasonable explanation is that some people cared more about president than other down ballot elections.
Why do you assume it’s not nefarious? This is literally Trump and the GOP we’re talking about, did him trying to bribe governors for votes make you trust him more or something?
A more reasonable explanation is that some people cared more about president than other down ballot elections.
Hanlon’s Razor: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” There are a lot of stupid people in the United States who would vote for Trump. His campaign was directed at turning out low-propensity, low-information voters, and the type of voter who would cast a bullet ballot are low-propensity, low-information voters.
Why do you assume it’s not nefarious?
The past two elections are regarded as two of the most secure in history. Plus, if there were actual malfeasance, I very much doubt that Trump, knowing his famously insatiable ego, would not allow his popular vote to get below 50%.
In the end, investigate away, but nothing will be uncovered, just like in 2020.
So the assertion is that Republicans inserted a bunch of fake votes but only for president? Why would they not just make it down ballot?
Ostensibly because the presidential election is the one that they really cared about this time around.
