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    The worst thing about this is that housing is essential, while all the other things aren’t. Scalpers only take advantage of other people’s shopping addiction, while these so-called “investors” take advantage of other people’s basic needs.

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    There should be a hard limit of houses you can buy. Two by default (the one you live in and one you can rent to someone, maybe with a requirement that you need to live there occasionally) and an additional one for each child if he or she doesn’t have one yet.

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        We should really start by limiting that. If we start treating housing as a basic right, which we should, there’s zero reason a company should be allowed to own housing to profit off of. It’s a far bigger problem than my landlady who owns five flats. We can talk about limits for people like her later.

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      First 5 investment properties should carry a 1% property income tax that is directly funneled into a housing development program, then a 5% property income tax on the next 5, 10% on the next 10…

      Realestate is the safest and highest yield investment working people can make to build generational wealth. Dont cut the throat of the guy who can afford a brand new Audi to spite the guy who has to decide between wether his driver fetches the Rolls or the Bentley.

      People should be able to aspire to being rich, just not filthy rich.

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    Housing is a basic human need, it shouldn’t be allowed to be only an investment. With the other items, you can just say “so don’t buy it”, which is not possible with housing, you have to pay for it, even of you wouldn’t like to.

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      While not as basic a necessity as housing, live music is also an extremely important thing to many people.

      Just saying “don’t buy it” is kind of shitty and enables the predatory practices of the likes of Ticketmaster/Livenation…

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        I’d bet if you were a lego fan you’d say the same about legos.

        Housing and concerts are orders of magnitude apart in “importantness”. All of the items above are not needed to live. A home is needed.

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          Housing and concerts are orders of magnitude apart in “importantness”. All of the items above are not needed to live. A home is needed.

          Which I conceded in the very first sentence. Seems like neither you nor the people downvoting paid enough attention to catch that, though.

          Blaming customers and scalpers for a problem caused mainly by Ticketmaster can be a bad thing without it being anywhere near as important as housing or anywhere near as bad as inflating the price of same. It’s not a binary.

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        I agree that “just don’t buy it” is not that easy for culture in general, it could be applied to hypermonetized events.

        I’m not sure I get your second point. How is Ticketmaster enabled by people boycotting events that get scalped?

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          How is Ticketmaster enabled by people boycotting events that get scalped?

          They aren’t by that specifically, but they are by transferring the blame to scalpers and the victims of both scalpers and Ticketmaster…

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          Yeah. Not to mention that a lot of people’s social identity, social activities and sense of community are all tied up in going to concerts together…

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    I think most of you are underestimating the cost of housing maintenance. We had some bad luck and a couple of structurally necessary renos were bigger than initially thought, or didn’t address the issue as well as we hoped, requiring new renos. In the last 20 years we’ve paid the cost of our townhouse apartment once over, easy. And now the bathroom, kitchen, and flooring could use an upgrade (25-50 years old), which is again expensive. In that time its value has risen maybe 50%, not quite keeping pace with local inflation.

    Not complaining, we bought it for living in and it’s been great for that, and now that everything is at the end of its lifespan is a good time to really make it ours. But house prices aren’t rising insanely everywhere, house upkeep isn’t free (there are always “modifications”), and at least here the average ROI for being a landlord is abt 4-6%, same as stocks lately, and that’s assuming no major surprises.

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      If you only own one house, it sucks to have luck like that. But, it’s like the dips in stock prices - overall, the value of the whole market goes up over time. Those treating homes as investments tend to buy in the demand areas, where a few lofty renovations don’t dent their bottom line.

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    They’re all pieces of shit and deserve to be kicked out an airlock into deep space.

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        7 hours ago

        When scalpers buy all the tickets to a concert in milliseconds, and the only way to buy a ticket is through a scalper, why are you blaming the person who wants to go to the concert instead of the scalper?

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          If we all collectively agreed to not buy from scalpers the ticket sellers would have a real incentive to do something against the scalpers. Right now they don’t have to care.

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            Would thry?

            The ticket seller doesn’t care if there’s an empty hall, he got paid early on.

            You’re hoping that the scalpers don’t get enough return to be able to justify continuing to play their role.

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              You’re hoping that the scalpers don’t get enough return to be able to justify continuing to play their role.

              Yes, that’s what “If we all collectively agreed to not buy from scalpers” would achieve. I get that that isn’t going to happen but it is still our collective fault.

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        7 hours ago

        You could, but they aren’t the ones causing the issue, they’re just enabling profits to be made from it.

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        6 as well. Imagine if nobody would buy houses and just expand their parents house by a floor for their own family.

        If that doesn’t work - make the neighborhood criminal by yourself right after those “people” bought houses.

        If that doesn’t work, just purge them.

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            If my assumptions are correct, there should be a crash of something within the next 4-6 months. My problem is that a new president always means a new unknown variable, like Bitcoin did nearly double its value after Trump won, there will be a still unknown thing once he gets into office.